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  1. 2006-2007

Dari Jay[sunting]

Hi Aurora,

Siapa Pengguna:On Wheezier Plot dan kenapa bahasa dia begitu naif seolah-olah dia terlalu "pandai" (rujuk no. 3 - amateur dan juga rujuk no. 4 tentang WikiProject)?. Saya ada tulis sesuatu dalam laman perbincangan dia, dan saya amat berharap agar perangai sebegitu dihentikan atau dia akan menghalau orang ramai dari menyumbang di sini. Di bawah adalah apa yang ditulis kepada saya selepas dia edit article yang saya buat. Jikalau anda lihat profail dia di Wiki EN, ramai orang dah warning dia kerana kata-kata kurang ajar dia. Selepas kena warning banyak, dia padam profail dia dan tulis "RESIGNED and BOYCOTTED Wikipedia". Di bawah adalah remarks beliau kepada saya.

  1. (Dear Lord! Whjayg, would not they be better if you could just use [Wikipedia] and [Pautan Projek Wikimedia]as both are already listed/existed in Kategori:Templat interwiki? I am ridding them.)
  2. (Dear Whjayg, would not they be better if you could just use [Wikipedia] and [Pautan Projek Wikimedia] as both are already listed or existed in Wiktionary:Projek saudara? Steadily ridding them.)
  3. (Furthermore assisting Whjayg's amateur edits via cleaning-up this newly created Malay word-entry page properly by taking away four superfluous empty lines found inside in each of its section contents.)
  4. (Blanked the page: No such template has been created here and most probably they can never happened plus other WikiProjects. Please see en:Wiktionary:WikiProject taken from the English Wiktionary.)

Saya dah edit kesemua pertukaran yang dia buat dalam rencana dan laman perbualan rencana saya kerana saya tidak akan bertolak ansur dengan orang sebegini. Tujuan saya di kesemua kumpulan Wiki hanyalah untuk menulis dan sekiranya saya salah, saya tak kisah untuk betulkan atau dibetulkan tetapi cara beliau adalah "kasar" dan ke-2, saya tidak bersetuju dengan "pendapat bijaksana" beliau - Whjayg 15:18, 18 Januari 2008 (UTC)

Sahutan saya mengenai "Jangan sunting komen orang lain".[sunting]

Dear Aurora, please see both the guidelines of w:en:WP:TP#Formatting plus w:en:WP:TPG#User talk pages' description as it is written: "More latitude is extended for user talk pages". It is an essentiality, and I do it inasmuch as it is an absolute requirement in all Wikis' editors' discussions in general to follow that yardstick, NOT necessarily does it constitute editing comments or messages made by other users. Hhmmm... This is the first time I have seen you talk in virtually five months! Why? Just because Whjayg's presence is here eventually whom you seem to be in the same coalition on his side with the intention that at least both of you could take your upperhanded stand and have your advantage over me to admonish in critical against my propriety, is it? Do not you even dare to think about it anymore! On the other hand, I am most certain you must have witnessed me many a time doing such talkpage-formatting work from a long time ago until today, but why only now do you decide or choose to notify me to look into this issue seriously and not earlier back then ever since I already started performing it? That is very untimely odd indeed, and too late! Besides, it is not my "help" task as to what you and Whjayg claim to be, it is a compulsory act of my duty and I would always feel obliged to do so! Do you understand? If not for the truths afore-stated above otherwise, so beat it! Knock it off, mind your own businesses, and get a life for goodness sake and STOP BOTHERING ME (especially by harping on all those similar untoward incidences from the past) AGAIN, EVER!!! ~ON·W·HEE·Z·IER·P·L·OT~ 19:25, 31 Januari 2008 (UTC)

  1. "I will cease from communicating with you anymore beginning from now onwards". Ingat lagi ayat anda ini? Terlajak perahu boleh diundur, terlajak kata buruk padahnya.
  2. "More latitude is extended for user talk pages. Policy does not prohibit users from removing comments from their own talk pages, though archiving is preferred." Kenapa salin satu ayat je?
  3. "Just because Whjayg's presence is here eventually whom you seem to be in the same coalition on his side with the intention that at least both of you could take your upperhanded stand and have your advantage over me to admonish in critical against my propriety, is it?". Saya cuma jawab soalan dia. Anda dan Edmund sama2 kutuk saya dulu dah lupa ke?.
  4. Saya akan memperingat dan menegur apa2 yg tak sesuai, mengikut kepentingannya.
  5. Jangan marah :) ...Aurora... 12:09, 5 Februari 2008 (UTC)
Amboi amboi apa yg berlaku ni? Aurora, saya berharap anda bertindak dgn adil dan bijaksana, anda harus pertimbangkan dgn betul-betul siapa yg betul dan siapa yg salah. Adakah anda pasti bahawa Whjayg tidak berbuat salah? Saya rasa sebenarnya semua pihak turut bersalah. --אדםוןד ואודס 16:24, 6 Februari 2008 (UTC)

Import dari Wikipedia[sunting]

Salam. Saya sudah kumpulkan senarai laman dari Wikipedia yang berbentuk perkamusan (17):

  • Abai
  • Abdul
  • Acap
  • Kerap
  • Sering
  • Taat
  • Padat
  • Tropika
  • Komuniti
  • Kronik
  • Keramat
  • Abdullah
  • Etnologi
  • Khazanah
  • Abad
  • Ajal
  • Arkeologi

Anda boleh gunakan fungsi Import di sini untuk mengimport laman-laman tersebut. Aviator 18:40, 15 Mac 2008 (UTC)

Oh, nanti saya cuba. ...Aurora... 11:27, 17 Mac 2008 (UTC)
Siap, kecuali yg saya potong kerana telah pun wujud di sini sebelum ini. ...Aurora... 11:14, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Ini pula senarai tambahan laman yang perlu diimport:

  • Celaka
  • Percuma

Terima kasih. Aviator 02:49, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Dah. Tak tahu kenapa tapi hanya semakan terakhir diimport. ...Aurora... 12:10, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Sebelum ini macam itu juga ke? Aviator 22:53, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Tak. Sebelum ini dapat import semua semakan. Anda boleh lihat di log import. ...Aurora... 10:57, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Mungkin anda terlupa menanda mana-mana kotak semak. Anda boleh salin sejarah daripada laman asal di sana dan tampalnya di laman perbincangan di sini. Aviator 03:48, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Biarlah. Laman asal pun masih ada di Wikipedia. ...Aurora... 10:12, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Memindahkan suntingan kebawah nama pengguna lain[sunting]

Hi Aurora, dapatkah anda memindahkan suntingan saya, yang sedia ada dibawah nama pengguna Yoyo ini (ID Pengguna 362), kebawah nama pengguna Yahya Abdal-Aziz, ia-itu nama benar saya sendiri, seperti dimasukkan kedalam akaun sejagat saya (ID Pengguna 366)?

Saya sudah lama menyunting Wikipedia bahasa inggeris, serta mengguna nama samaran Yoyo. Baru saja saya mula menggunakan akaun sejagat (global account) dengan nama samaran itu, untuk menggabungkan akaun Wiktionary dan Wikipedia bahasa inggeris. Tetapi sebentar sebelum itu, sedang membuat akaun baru disini, saya terlupa bahawa nama pengguna saya itu Yahya Abdal-Aziz, bukan Yoyo; jadi saya ambil nama pengguna Yoyo disini. Nampaknya, ada seorang bernama pengguna Yoyo di Wikipedia atau Wikimedia perancis; oleh sebab itu, saya tak boleh melangsungkan nama pengguna Yoyo itu untuk akaun sejagat saya.

Tolong beri nasihat anda, bagaimana cara yang terbaik untuk mengemaskan keadaan ini? Minta maaf sekiranya katakata saya terlalu membingungkan ...! Sekian, terima kasih. yoyo 07:25, 23 Ogos 2008 (UTC)

Maaf mencelah, saya nak tolong jawab soalan ini. Saya sangat pasti Aurora tidak mampu melakukannya untuk anda, Yoyo a.k.a. Yahya Abdal-Aziz. Aurora cumalah seorang penyelia biasa di sini dan tidak mampu menggabungkan dua akuan, dan biarpun birokrat juga tidak boleh. Tapi saya tak pasti sama ada developer boleh lakukannya. Cuba anda pergi ke Bugzilla minta tolong? --אדמוןד ואודס自分の投稿記録 07:13, 25 Ogos 2008 (UTC)
Saya kurang faham. Kedua2 akaun Yahya Abdal-Aziz dan Yoyo di sini milik anda dan anda ingin menggabungkan keduanya? Setahu saya ketika ini penggabungan akaun tidak dibolehkan di projek Wikimedia. Lagipun suntingan anda di sini tidak banyak, guna sahaja akaun mana yang anda mahu dan lencongkan akaun satu lagi ke akaun utama anda. ...Aurora... 15:38, 26 Ogos 2008 (UTC)

Sahutan saya mengenai "Laman pengguna".[sunting]

Dear Aurora, I think you have nearly misunderstood with what you are informing me, especially regarding spam. Mind you, what I was and am actually doing is merely a succession of small routine tasks, since there are so many registered users' account pages to be pointed out that via embeds of the "laman pengguna" template, they are indicators of their presence into this place. Plus, it is not like I can edit only once for all pages as you have already know it by using your own common sense for goodness sake! So where and why the crap did you simply label my userpage work as spam?

I suggest that you should read and review the spam guideline page once again carefully and thoroughly, not to mention its true definition of such s-word. Does it ever state or stresses anything about embedding userpage templates is downrightly considered as randomly distributing unwanted electronic junk mail messages? If it is not written there, then what are you expounding about? Am I really advertising a certain product into their userpages or am I multilinking from an external website on every userpage possible to promote a specified brand?

Moreover, just because other Wikiprojects do not have the practice of imbedding the aforesaid template does not correctly mean it must not be done here. Emulation is purely based on the Wiki's adherence of its policies and guidelines, not the instances of other Wikiwebsites. Allow me to give you one good example of an English Wikipedian named Waacstats whose most labour in Wiki was quite similar as mine in terms of our repeated-multiple-page-postings and do try to take a deep browse at his contributions. Now answer me: Does his Wikijob of numerous stub-sorting articles be fully constituted as an act of a great spam king? If your reply is yes, yet why was he rewarded with some barnstars for his hyper-editing effort? Thus, next time please do not mislead me by delivering the wrong-cum-ridiculous narrow-minded counsel.

On the other note about privacy, I merely called someone by the forename at the moment, so I thought that is how I normally greet people albeit virtual or reality in general human convention, however did I ever blatantly disclose your full genuine name at birth? Now my main question is that how many people are out there in this world having the same first name as you? Only you yourself alone? Edmundwoods presumably told me that it is not your name, neither did I myself know it, then how can I be legally convicted for harassment? Moreover, do you think that I am the only Wikiperson on this planet from the Malay Wiki to have committed the "crime" of juicily speculating or prying one's personal profile details? For your real information, I am not the root cause for all this difficulty of yours nor am I interested in knowing you more. Initially I supposed Edmund and I were discussing concerning anonymity, but now you want me to explain to you about privacy? I find it a little pertubing when you query me about it recently. Why, has this case of anyone else been malevolently attempting to stalk you happen before? ~ON·W·HEE·Z·IER·P·L·OT~ 04:21, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Once more I still do not comprehend on what you have told me, because I sincerely find your reasoning logic somewhat incompatible. Such as the part I find you completely impractical is how is it that template embeds can be designated as vandalism if it is not deemed as spam? In addition, how do you truly know that no matter whichever Wikiproject you go to, it will still be officially recognised as spam by everyone? What else then, even the many postings of the welcome template in all user-talk-pages is also included under that as a wrong act? And since when did you become an eligible member from the Board of Trustees to declare your policy of spam so far as the userpage template is concerned? To go beyond that, would you want visitors (either they are users or non-users) who have or have not arrive here to see RED in our online dictionary as well?
In my opinion, I think you possibly have a problem of defining, identifying, and percieving stuffs especially the nonconcrete ones in the right judgement. Why not go seek or consult a psychiatrist in order to deal with that snag of yours before desiring or continuing to be persistent in your own view? What I mean is, you may have your own rigid standpoint on what and which you feel is right or wrong but you have to value and understand that in fact what me (and others perhaps) are trying to do here is just being helpful to users, particularly on behalf of all new viewers and readers alike who could be puzzled with what plus why one's personal page is doing in a certain Wikiwebsite like this Wiktionary, thus it is one of my main reasons why am I obliged to implant the said userpage template on all userpages. Do you make myself clear?
Now broaching on privacy again, have I really forgotten about it? Why do you need to bother asking whether can I bring to mind concerning the case of your user-naming incident or not? It might seem pretty controversial for some, but then it is of no worth at all for you to recall me the issues that had been done or already occured in the past when I still know them due to when you had earlier ill-treated me several times as evidenced in my previous archived talk page in the manner of your unbending-cum-authoritarian attitude. So I ask: Memang inikah sikap anda? Hitherto, I never even notice you admitting your own intended mistakes on what you had unjustly inflicted upon me. But after for all this taciturnity, is that how you eventually repay me with your latest talk's final interrogation? How can I reimburse your weaknesses if I have much greater loss than you? ~ON·W·HEE·Z·IER·P·L·OT~ 10:26, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
HOOII!! Undoubtedly, you informed me not to embed the user page template on those new user pages but did you realise what you should not have done? Why did you not let me notify about this earlier on as well? Before that you never mentioned at all about the redirects and I am very disgusted by your impulsive actions! Secondly as to your question "Lagipun orang2 ini ada buat sumbangan ke?", my answer would be "Tentulah ada!": Please take a good look at here, here, and here! Again I would need to inquire how and why did you not know about their existed contributions here, as I am nothing more than appalled to discover that you do not seem to even acknowledge about their edits like anyone else's in your manner of querying such an impertinent question, still considering yourself as an administrator? ROTFLMAOOL!! Very stupid and thoughtless indeed! >:-( ~ON·W·HEE·Z·IER·P·L·OT~ 21:33, 8 Oktober 2008 (UTC)
So is that how I greet people, all the time? You already deleted part of my contributions and yet you still do not find any inkling of what I have just pointed out? How, when, and whence on this Earth did I really brand you as a soothsayer? Do not try to talk over with me that you never pledge yourself as an administrator, you will advise me whenever you feel ought to. But did I ever discern whether you would actually mean by what you said? Moreover, specifically what and which is it that I must let you know about something which I am going to do soon? Everything? Sounds silly to me! You asked why should I got to bother concerning the subordinate stipulation of those three Wiktionarian newbies' input, well how am I so sure that they are not the main conditions? I thought questions are intended to be answered or replied, are they not? Lastly, in response to your old Malay saying, I recommend you to please read and understand about children's rights as well as youth rights, for it is disheartening to note that there is nothing so blind as those like you who could not see an old head on young shoulders like me, thus goes the proverb: Little pitchers have big ears. ~ON·W·HEE·Z·IER·P·L·OT~ 20:49, 10 Oktober 2008 (UTC)
I knew you would have ask. If you think that there is of no advantage in responding my inquiries above, then it is better for you not to offhandedly interfere with my innocent Wikibusiness here! Just because you dubbed me unteachable which is merely your assumption, does it grant you the total right as a system operator to be reluctant in counselling me for such case? Suppose you believe that there is of no benefit by giving up in advising me unlike to the rest of the entire community of ordinary Wiktionarians from now onwards, then it is even greater for you not to retain your status as a sysop of this site anymore! Not to forget that you cheated on me as well (Exempli gratia, you have instructed me not to implant the users' template in each new-cum-untouched user pages or else they will be terminated, but ironically the last ones you had made them extinct do NOT contain user templates! Redirect = Template?)! Can you understand now? A genuine adminstrator does not tell half-truths while running his or her work, not even a tinge of its dishonesty.
Yes, you did explained your actions, though and unfortunately, as I have reiterated previously, you never carefully nor accurately made it clear to me concerning what and which sort of my mismanoeuverability which you are going to tackle. Like for instance, is it the user page template, the user talk page redirects, or both? That is why I am so terribly upset when you destroyed all of those pages that I had created not long ago, plus is it also very difficult for me to accept it since you are the only one in this Wiktionary who got the power to delete and restore any of them at your disposal notwithstanding the cost of non-administrators! In addition, what is so hilarious and what do you mean by me concealing their answers to my own questions? What are you actually implying about? Lastly, a leopard cannot change its spots, neither does a tiger morph its stripes, due to it has become a cliché when you already stated such Malay metaphorical expression twice so far. ~ON·W·HEE·Z·IER·P·L·OT~ 21:56, 18 Oktober 2008 (UTC)
What is it that I will regret if you take an alternate course of action? Only now you are able to explain it fully to me? "Laugh out loud!" Why procrastinate until the last minute? Why stall till this time and not anytime before you did this? Moreover, why do you have to continue harping on the similar statements over again when I already knew about it so many times? Plus all you can say is "saya sudah menjalankan tanggungjawab saya" as your final advice — that was just happened right after you had annihilated all those aforesaid user pages which I have created! My goodness! I really could not fathom how much is it that you do not directly answer me based on my question's requirements by still beating around the same bush for me. Is that how you normally run the online dictionary by informing others during and after your daring exploits but not before? "Sigh!" I feel very sad for you. In spite of everything being said, no matter how strenuously I felt in reasoning every aspect possible as well as in truth, must you go further in counselling me with this: "sesal kemudian tidak berguna", when I am at present on the extreme edge of breaking down with psychological trauma on top of suffering occasional depression from the first place through what you have done since then? What is the point? Too late for now. ~ON·W·HEE·Z·IER·P·L·OT~ 21:43, 26 Oktober 2008 (UTC)
Apa yg dah berlaku, telahpun berlalu. ...Aurora... 11:00, 28 Oktober 2008 (UTC)

Format[sunting]

Sebelum anda formatkan semula semua lema ciptaan saya, bolehkah kita habiskan dulu perbincangan mengenai format? Kerana saya akan terus gunakan format Wiktionary En selagi anda belum beri sebab kukuh mengapa kita perlu gunakan format sendiri yang pada saya tampak tonggang-langgang. Bincang di sana, jangan di laman perbualan saya. Kurniasan 11:03, 15 Oktober 2008 (UTC)

Hehe ok. Tapi harap boleh habis segera. ...Aurora... 11:10, 15 Oktober 2008 (UTC)

Lema[sunting]

Ehek, orang baru la katekan, lema tu ape? Muhraz 03:42, 25 Oktober 2008 (UTC)

Lihat lema. ...Aurora... 11:00, 28 Oktober 2008 (UTC)

Laman Utama[sunting]

Saya telah pindahkan Laman Utama ke Wiktionary:Laman Utama kerana Laman Utama sepatutnya ialah sebuah lema. Diharap anda boleh tukarkan MediaWiki:Mainpage. Maaf, saya buat tanpa mohon pandangan. Tapi ia perkara yang sepatutnya. Kurniasan 01:54, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Ya, anda memang patut memohon pandangan orang lain terlebih dahulu. Mengapa anda alih di Wiktionary tetapi tidak di Wikipedia. Laman Utama bukannya rencana. Untuk pengetahuan anda, saya turut mementingkan keseragaman. ...Aurora... 11:00, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Saya tidak kata Laman Utama ialah rencana, tapi saya kata ia ialah lema. Lema dan rencana dua perkara yang berbeza. 'laman utama' ialah istilah yang mempunyai takrifan "Muka depan sesebuah laman atau tapak web". Setakat ini kebanyakan Wiktionary gunakan format begini, namun peralihan dari 'laman utama' ke 'Wiktionary:Laman Utama' tetap dikekalkan. Anda boleh undurkan suntingan saya kalau anda rasa perlu. Kalau anda rasa tidak perlu, sila tukarkan pesanan MediaWiki yang telah saya nyatakan. Satu lagi, saya harap anda boleh kembangkan muka penyuntingan dengan menambahkan edittools (terutamanya IPA) padanya untuk memudahkan semua orang. Sekian --Kurniasan 14:27, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Saya faham, saya maksudkan di Wikipedia, Laman Utama bukannya rencana, tetapi anda tidak pula menimbulkan isu ini. Buat masa ini, saya rasa biarlah Laman Utama kekal di tempat asalnya. Berkenaan edittools, saya dah salin dari Wikipedia. ...Aurora... 11:04, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Padam nama[sunting]

Saya memadam nama saya yang ditulis oleh seorang pengguna di Laman utama pada 28 Februari. Ini hanyalah untuk pengetahuan anda. Terima kasih - Jay 15:19, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Interwiki sort order[sunting]

I have seen your message on en:User talk:Interwicket and replied. The order has never been set in the framework code, so no bot using it will do what you want. Do you have a modified bot? (I'm wondering where the existing iwiki links came from?) I have changed my code, and added a request for them; but it will take them a long time. Robert Ullmann 14:37, 10 Februari 2009 (UTC)

Appears to be working correctly now, see this edit for example. Robert Ullmann 14:25, 11 Februari 2009 (UTC)
(Replied again on en:User talk:Interwicket) Where is you request page for bot flags? I note there aren't any now (not even VolkovBot). Should I set it to run in normal mode without the flag (for now)? It is getting the sort order correctly. Robert Ullmann 16:56, 12 Februari 2009 (UTC)

Sahutan saya mengenai "Ringkasan suntingan".[sunting]

It was accidentally done on the spur of the moment. So pardon me for I have already known my blunder before you reminded me to. ~ON·W·HEE·Z·IER·P·L·OT~ 16:32, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Interwiki order[sunting]

Hi, Aurora.

I wanted to let you know that Pywikipedia has been updated to use the revised alphabetic sort order here at ms.wiktionary, just like ms.wikipedia. This will affect primarily bots that operate on categories and also article bots which use Pywikipedia. Interwicket is not the case: it doesn't use Pywikipedia and it was already using revised alpha sort order. Best regards, Malafaya 15:51, 8 Oktober 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. ...Aurora... 07:25, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Mohon Maaf[sunting]

Saya ingin memohon maaf kepada kamu, Aurora. Saya meletakkan bendera-bendera itu kerana beberapa Wiktionary dari bahasa lain telah meletakkannya. Harap kamu dapat memaafkan saya. Sekian. Malaysiaboy (bincang) 07:58, 17 Februari 2014 (UTC)

Tak apa, saya tak marah pun. Cuma bendera (wakil negara) tidak sesuai mewakili bahasa. Kekurangannya lebih banyak daripada kelebihannya:
  1. Satu negara boleh ada banyak bahasa rasmi, e.g. Kanada & Singapura.
  2. Satu bahasa boleh diiktiraf di banyak negara, e.g. Arab & Inggeris.
  3. Bendera negara maju mungkin orang kenal, bendera negara kecil? e.g. Eritrea & Lesotho.
  4. Bagaimana pula dengan bahasa yg tak menjadi bahasa rasmi? e.g. Jawa & Hakka
...Aurora... (bincang) 14:02, 20 Februari 2014 (UTC)

Format Lema[sunting]

Pada bahagian manakah "Kata majmuk" diletak? Selepas Takrifan atau Terbitan? Malaysiaboy (bincang) 11:26, 8 Mei 2014 (UTC)

Pada pendapat saya, selepas Terbitan lebih sesuai. Kata majmuk dan kata terbitan kedua2nya menghasilkan perkataan baharu. ...Aurora... (bincang) 08:59, 16 Mei 2014 (UTC)

Templat[sunting]

Di sini belum lagi ada templat untuk imbuhan. Saya telah buat templat apitan tetapi tidak dapat berfungsi. Bolehkah anda menambah templat apitan(circumfix) dan suffix(akhiran)? --Malaysiaboy (bincang) 08:24, 30 Mei 2014 (UTC)

Cubaan: per- -an- +‎ per +‎ -empu.
Nampaknya templat itu memerlukan Modul:links. Kalau tak ralat jadinya. ...Aurora... (bincang) 08:24, 4 Jun 2014 (UTC)

Nama bahasa[sunting]

Dalam Wikipedia, kod bahasa ang ialah bahasa Inggeris Kuno manakala dalam Modul:languages bahasa Inggeris Lama. Mana satu yang lebih sesuai? Saya akan merujuk kepada Modul:languages untuk nama-nama bahasa dalam bahasa Melayu. Terima kasih.--Malaysiaboy (bincang) 10:07, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Setelah memeriksa kembali, nampaknya Wikipedia lebih tepat, jadi telah saya seragamkan. Terima kasih memberitahu. ...Aurora... (bincang) 03:54, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Sama-sama. Adakah semua nama bahasa yang mempunyai perkataan Old diterjemahkan kepada "Lama" atau "Kuno"? Contoh Old Armenian, Old Norse dan sebagainya. Kalau Ancient Greek diterjemahkan kepada Yunani Kuno. --Malaysiaboy (bincang) 07:54, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Malangnya tidak semestinya, ada juga "Tua". Bagaimanapun, yang mana saya tidak pasti, saya seragamkan kepada "Lama". ...Aurora... (bincang) 07:49, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Kk. Sebelum ini saya juga merujuk di sini. Entahlah kalau betul atau tidak. Contohnya: ca-Catalonia, nn-Neo-Norway dan sebagainya. --Malaysiaboy (bincang) 09:35, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Hm.. laman itu dah lama terbengkalai, dan nampak tak lengkap. Tak tahulah ketepatannya macam mana. ...Aurora... (bincang) 09:40, 24 September 2014 (UTC)